PML:
What sort of visual art do you personally like?
MB:
I am attracted to conceptual art, I suppose, because of my writing – the
more poetic ‘New Worlds’ pieces tend to use ironic metaphor to express my concerns
about the planet and I try to describe phenomenon like space-time. But I like a broad range of styles, periods
and types of visual art. I must say
straight away that I am not an expert in the field. Innovation is the impetus behind my
publishing, and I have entered art publishing with the aim of personal discovery.
PML:
Are you, perhaps, an artist yourself?
MB:
As a pre-teen and young teenager I practised both painting and drawing
as well as writing. I made the decision to be a writer for practical reasons –
thinking that a pen and notebook, or a portable typewriter, made life easier
than carting around easels or photographic equipment.
PML:
Does art still retain a potential for innovation?
MB:
In the digital media world, when all aesthetic art has exhausted itself,
conceptual art is the only form that seems to retain potential for
innovation. And in many ways, conceptual
and contemporary art are synonymous. It
is like poetry, a completely free agent, which does not require an aesthetic,
although it sometimes does; it is timeless, and it plays with ideas, often it
is quite literally playful and, like the best poetry it can also be
profound. By exhibiting a ‘ready made’,
a urinal, in a public gallery in 1917, Duchamp notoriously questioned the idea
of what art is, and, equally, what an artist does, in the age of photography
and mass production.
PML:
How did conceptualism come into being?
MB:
Very simply, and very much as my knowledge of it currently goes,
conceptualism (and therefore much of current contemporary visual art) started
with Duchamp. In the late 60s and early 70s it had a ‘second wave’ (New Worlds, the mouthpiece of the ‘New
Wave’ of Science Fiction, was its unalloyed contemporary) when it underwent a
period of development by younger artists in New York and elsewhere. After that, and I can only say what has
happened in the UK – I must be missing out a lot – there was a third ‘wave’ in
the 90s, when conceptualism gained public understanding. So there were three
waves – Duchamp, then in the 60s and 70s there was a great period of exploration
and, finally in the 90s another set of artists brought it to public acceptance.
PML:
But what about the future? Where can art ‘go’ now?
MB:
Like many other cultural expressions – music, writing, film, and theatre
– it has reached a watershed. Although
there is still much to say – an ever increasing amount, in fact, as society
grows technologically and more of the world can be apprehended simultaneously –
contemporary visual art has become a form of entertainment, like folk art,
sometimes meaningful, but no longer
radical.
PML:
So the artist can no longer be radical?
MB:
The potential to be radical
still exists – and indeed an artist can still be radical in terms of technique,
with the use technology. But he or she
can only be radical for fifteen minutes, until the next technological
development! It is difficult to say
anything new, in order to make an impact.
It’s a quandary facing every new artist who wants to make a career
impact. How to find something new when
everything is instantly superseded or has already been done? Artists like Richard Kostelantetz argue that
it is still possible, using formal experimentation, but this seems to me to be
splitting hairs. Any original expression of this kind instantly becomes obsolete, and really
it is very artificial. It is hardly a
response to some major advent of technology like photography or mass
production, or social change or political upheaval. Formal experimentation of
this kind does seem, nevertheless, to be a last bastion of the avant garde!
PML:
So tell us about Corridor8. You first produced a magazine called
Corridor in 1971. Is there a link?
MB:
When I first came to do an art journal in 2009 I did not set out to re-launch
the small press publication I began doing in my twenties. That early ’zine featured
mainly literary writing and illustration, and contained little in the way of
contemporary art, despite the influence on me of New Worlds. However, Corridor8
has become a kind of unplanned continuation of those early editions.
PML:
Why the ‘8’ in the title? Were
there Corridor5's, 6's and 7's?
MB: I produced a total of seven ‘zines under
different mastheads, most of them ‘Corridor’, the last one appearing in 1976. When
the first edition of Corridor8 appeared it was therefore the eighth Corridor, produced
after a gap of thirty-three years. We liked the title Corridor8, so it became a
generic title. That was supposed to be the only similarity – the name!
PML: It has another similarity, as a
magazine. Why did you return to that format?
MB: That’s true. It is a continuation of
that early magazine-based publishing. It
spans Savoy Books, and it has enabled me to return to a first love, if you
like, after years of book publishing. Savoy grew directly out of those ’zines, David
Britton’s small press publications – he did a series of them also – as well as
mine. The content of Savoy’s early book publications came from them.
PML: So where did the contemporary visual
art come from, then?
MB: Strangely enough, from a print-on-demand
imprint that I launched in 2006 as an experiment, as an outlet for ‘occasional’
books that don’t fit the Savoy list. The
imprint is very occasional, in fact, with only three titles so far. But one of these, Jackson Pollock the Musical, published in 2007, got me interested
in conceptual art. The debut literary
work of Roger McKinley, a practicing conceptual artist, it is a libretto for an
imaginary musical – so it is a joke, in the best conceptual way. As a clever
and detailed account of Pollock’s life, with tinges of fantasy and absurdity, it
is also serious, as the best conceptual art also is, so it sits comfortably
astride both art and literature.
PML:
How did you discover Roger McKinley?
MB:
As is often the way with all these things I happened to know Roger as a
friend. He submitted a manuscript to me anonymously,
so I had to guess who the author was – not too difficult as it happened, as he
has a very distinctive sense of humour! I
also knew his partner, Jo McGonigal, another practicing artist. So when I came
to think of a new journal, I could see that these two well-informed and well-connected
artists could make the beginnings of a professional team.
PML:
Where did the initial funding come from?
MB:
Well, not long after I published Roger’s book, my father died, leaving
me a small inheritance. This provided me
with start-up capital. At the same time,
my wife Sara and I became interested in the architect Will Alsop. Will’s
concept of a linear city forming along the Transpennine Motorway, the M62, a
roadway that runs raggedly across the neck of England from Liverpool to Hull,
seemed highly prescient to us, and it became the theme of our first issue. One day, after learning of the inheritance, Sara
suddenly said, “I know you want to do a magazine, so why don’t you use some of
the money?”
PML:
And Corridor was to be something very different from what you were doing
with Savoy?
MB:
Absolutely. And that brings me to
another very important factor in the journal’s origin, the design team, Dust,
who I first came across when looking for a jacket designer for my print on
demand imprint. The design of Corridor8
had to be as different in style as possible to that of Savoy, yet just as
distinctive, which theirs is.
PML:
What was the first issue of the journal like?
MB:
It had a tall oversized format, about which our distributors were wary. It reflected the motorway ‘corridor’, and
looked at contemporary art practice within this region. Jo selected the artists. She curated a special
‘Flash Art’ section, while Roger acted as journal editor, assisted by Laura
Mansfield, a young curator and writer who I’d met at an art event. We did a
double feature on Will Alsop, one on his architecture, another on his canvas
art. For literary content I commissioned
Iain Sinclair to travel the motorway, which he did, in both directions, first
by car with Chris Petit, and then (having just reached seniority) by bus pass
with his wife Anna. This, as well as a
further commission I asked Iain to do for our second issue, formed the content
of the ‘North’ section of his 2011 book, Ghost
Milk, which relates accounts of his travels outside his usual comfort zone
of London.
PML:
Who supported the journal?
MB: Until now we have been supported by
Arts Council England North West. I have
provided match funding for their grants. Dust have also been important funders. Corridor8’s staff, all of whom work as
low-paid hands or interns, are also tremendously significant factors.
PML:
Where do you want Corridor8 to go?
MB: Simply to continue being a good
journal on art and writing, relevant wherever there is a readership for it. The
current issue (Issue #3) is North-of-England-centric, to raise our profile in
our home region. It appeared as four quarterly parts, each launched in a
different Northern city. But subsequent issues will see a return to having a
much wider remit. It will still be a platform for the North, but it will be interacting
with international cities in an exciting and novel way, which we are planning
at the moment.
PML:
Do you consider the influence of London in the world of contemporary art
too dominant?
MB: It is
a challenge to site a journal elsewhere, to regions where new work can be
easily eclipsed. The North of England contains more than a quarter of the UK’s
population, and may eventually devolve politically – it has its own axial road
and rail route to the Continent and Ireland, and of course it borders on Scotland
– so it is potentially a very interesting region, where contemporary art is
produced.
PML:
By focusing on the North, isn’t there a danger of provinciality?
MB: No, because there is a great deal of significant
art being produced here by artists who are not at all provincial. There are
also a growing number of galleries drawing international visitors, and
educational art departments that attract students from a diverse range of
geographical areas.
PML: Are there so many artists in the
North of England?
MB:
Oh, yes! Because of the comparative
cheapness of studio space, the North is fantastically rich in artists, some of whom
are home grown but many others stay on here after leaving university. There are more artist-run spaces in Sheffield,
for instance, than anywhere else in the country. The work that is produced can be high quality,
but the problem for these artists is that they have few local outlets. Although
rich in product, at present the North has few commercial galleries, so they
exhibit in London or Paris or New York, or Los Angeles or wherever.
PML:
So you’re trying to shift the focus away from these places?
MB:
Our aim is to help ‘join the
dots’ in the North, to help make the region become its own centre of gravity. We
are partners with the Contemporary Art Society who encourage collectors, and we
also support The Manchester Contemporary, the largest and longest running
contemporary visual art fair outside London, which happens at the end of every
September. This fair continues to grow each year. It is both an outlet for
Northern galleries and their artists, as well as an opportunity for national
and international galleries to dip a toe in the region.
PML:
Can all this be accomplished only through a journal?
MB:
Well, look what Frieze did. That
was a journal when it started out! Corridor8 is becoming an organisation with
different facets. Our website has become more pro-active (it has a different
set of editors to the print publication). Events are also becoming increasingly
important as a means of expression. We try to make our launches interesting
occasions, hiring guest speakers and putting on installations. We also lead and
take part in symposiums and appear at art, print and ’zine fairs up and down
the country.
PML:
How do you decide on the content of each magazine?
MB:
Very basically we find a theme, then make a list of the articles we’d
like to see, and the writers we’d like to write them. This acts as the
skeleton, if you like. Other things can get added along the way.
PML:
Can you speak a little about the writing published in Corridor 8?
MB: There is a lot of it! On our website we provide reviews of art
exhibitions, while in the print journal we write about artists and their work
and run interviews with artists, gallerists, collectors, curators and so on. But we also publish fiction/faction, art writing,
eg concrete poetry and other art-word texts, and art journalism.
PML:
Who is on the team?
MB:
At any one time there is a hard core of about ten. This can increase
when an issue is underway, when marketing, PR and extra designers become
involved. We have been extremely lucky in attracting a high calibre of young
people at just the right career moment for them; we have grown with them, and
they have grown with us.
PML: A final question about your
publishing. Did it grow out of your
writing?
MB:
Yes, because when I started doing magazines I was attempting to provide
a vehicle for literary work and experimentation The
practice was essentially a means of extending my own urge to write, of compensating
for a lack of prolificacy as a writer, which is something I have always
struggled with. In a sense, publishing was a continuation of my writing.
Perhaps it was the abandoned artist in me but I was excited simply by putting
black marks on white paper. It didn’t, and still doesn’t, really matter to me
who the author is.
Michael
Butterworth would like to express his thanks and appreciation of all who have
contributed to Corridor8.
Name
|
About
|
Role
at Corridor8
|
Michael
Barnes-Wynter
|
Freelance
broadcaster
|
Roving
promoter, DJ and Events Co-manager
|
Bryony
Bond
|
Exhibitions
Curator at Whitworth Art Gallery, Manchester
|
Journal
Editor
|
Michael
Butterworth
|
Co-founder/publisher
Savoy Books, author & editor
|
Publisher
|
Clara
Casian
|
Artist
and Freelance Research and Admin at FACT, Liverpool
|
Audio-visual
technician and Events Co-manager
|
Dust
|
Sheffield-based design studio
|
Design
(print on online) and web management
|
Carol
Huston (Issues #2 & #3)
|
PhD
graduate in Art History, Manchester University and freelance art journalist
|
Staff
Writer, Circulation Manager and Web Editor
|
Stephen
Iles
|
Freelance
portrait and installation photographer
|
Staff
Photographer
|
Jo
McGonigal
|
Artist
and Associate Lecturer at Leeds Metropolitan University and Manchester MMU
|
Associate
Director, Co-editor Issue #1
|
Roger
McKinley
|
Author/artist
and Production Controller at FACT, Liverpool
|
Executive
Producer, Editor of Issues #1 & #2
|
Laura
Mansfield (Issues #1 & #2)
|
Curator
and writer
|
Events
Manager, Assistant Editor, Staff Writer
|
Steve
Pantazis
|
PhD
graduate in Art History, Manchester University and freelance writer
|
Web
Editor
|
Alex
Taber (Issue #3)
|
Studying
for MA in Contemporary Curating at RCA
|
Web
Editor
|
Lauren
Velvick
|
Art
writer, curator and blogger
|
Web
Editor
|
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